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A woodworker holding two sheets of abrasive with different numbering systems on the back, trying to work out which is coarser and how far up the ladder to bother going.8 min read · Updated July 2026

Sandpaper Grit Chart: CAMI and P-Grade Equivalents, and Where to Stop on Bare Wood

Up to 220, CAMI and FEPA P-grades track each other closely enough to swap freely. Past that they diverge hard — a CAMI 400 is roughly a P800, not a P400. On bare wood most work should stop at 180 for dense closed-pore species and 220 for open-pore ones, because going finer burnishes the surface rather than smoothing it.

By the Woodworker Help Editorial Team

Below 220 the two numbering systems are close enough to treat as identical: a CAMI 120 and a P120 remove roughly the same amount and leave roughly the same scratch. Above 220 they part company fast. CAMI 400 sits near P800. CAMI 600 sits near P1200.

On bare wood, most projects should stop at 180 or 220 regardless of system. Past that you are polishing rather than cutting, and a burnished surface takes finish unevenly — the classic cause of blotchy cherry and maple that gets blamed on the finish rather than the prep that came before it.

This page covers bare-wood surface preparation only: milling marks through to the last dry pass before anything goes on the wood. What happens after that is somebody else's page.

  1. CAMI to P-grade, side by side

    CAMI is the US standard, printed as a plain number. FEPA is the European one, printed with a P prefix. The micron figures below are average particle size, and the reason the systems diverge is that FEPA screens far more tightly at the fine end — a P400 sheet has a much narrower spread of particle sizes than a CAMI 400, so it cuts more uniformly and leaves a more consistent scratch pattern.

    CAMI gritFEPA equivalentAverage particle size, microns (CAMI / P)What it is genuinely for
    40P40425 / 425Heavy removal on a belt sander. Not a hand grit
    60P60265 / 269Levelling glue squeeze-out and severe machine burn; leaves scratches that take two grits to clear
    80P80190 / 201The honest starting grit for planer snipe and jointer chatter
    100P100140 / 162First grit that leaves a surface worth calling flat
    120P120115 / 125Standard start on stock that came off the machine clean
    150P15092 / 100Where softwood can stop
    180P18078 / 82Where dense closed-pore hardwood should stop
    220P22066 / 68The practical end of bare-wood prep for most work
    240P28053 / 52Systems start diverging here — a CAMI 240 is a P280
    320P40036 / 35Rarely useful on bare wood; useful on end grain
    400P80023 / 22A CAMI 400 is nowhere near a P400
    600P120016 / 15Turned work and burnished surfaces only
    800P150012 / 13
    1000P20009 / 10
    Use the middle column to swap between systems mid-progression without accidentally skipping three grades. Anything below 220 is safe to substitute freely; above it, read the row rather than the number.
  2. Where the two systems stop agreeing, and why it bites

    The failure looks like this. You start a progression with a CAMI-graded belt at 120, move to a P180 disc because that is what was in the drawer, then finish with CAMI 220. Fine — those three are effectively 120, 180, 220.

    Now try the same thing at the top of the range. You finish at CAMI 320 thinking you have gone one step past 220, when you have actually gone to P400 and skipped nothing in particular. Or worse, you reach for P400 believing it follows CAMI 320, and it is barely a step at all.

    A second wrinkle: the same grit number on different backings cuts differently. A 180 grit on a stiff paper backing on a random orbit sander cuts far more aggressively than 180 on a flexible sponge block, because the paper holds the abrasive proud while the sponge lets it conform and glide. Grit number describes particle size, not aggression.

  3. The progression: how far you can jump

    Each grit exists to remove the scratches left by the grit before it. Skip too far and the new abrasive cannot reach the bottom of the old scratches, so you polish the peaks and leave the valleys — invisible on dry bare wood, glaringly obvious the moment anything wets the surface.

    Current gritSafe next stepAggressive next stepCost of the aggressive jumpVerdict
    80100120Roughly double the time at 120Take the jump. 100 rarely earns its place
    100120150About 50 percent more time at 150Fine on softwood, marginal on oak
    12015018050-70 percent more time at 180The most common skip, and usually justified
    150180220Doubles time at 220 and often fails on dense stockDo not skip here on hardwood
    180220320Will not clear 180 scratches at allNever. This jump is a wasted sheet
    220320400Only relevant on turned or end-grain workStop at 220 unless you have a specific reason
    Cross-reference your starting grit with where you want to end up. The rule underneath: you can skip one step, never two, and skipping always costs time at the next grit rather than saving it overall.

    There is a cheap test for whether a grit has done its job. Wipe the surface with a rag dampened with water or mineral spirits and look across it at a low angle against a light. Every scratch the last grit failed to remove shows up immediately. Let it dry fully, knock back the raised fibres, and carry on — that is not a finishing step, it is an inspection step, and it is the single most useful habit in surface prep.

  4. Stop grit by species

    How fine to go is a property of the wood, not of ambition. Dense, tight, diffuse-porous species burnish — the abrasive stops cutting and starts polishing, closing the surface so it no longer absorbs evenly. Open ring-porous species keep taking abrasive to a higher number because the pores are still there whatever you do to the flats.

    SpeciesJanka hardness (lbf)Pore structureStop grit, penetrating finishStop grit, film-forming finishWhy
    Eastern white pine380Closed, soft150180Softwood compresses under the disc; finer grits just polish the earlywood
    Poplar540Diffuse porous150180Fuzzes readily above 180 rather than getting smoother
    Cherry950Diffuse porous, tight180220Burnishes easily, and blotches worse the finer you go
    Soft maple950Diffuse porous180220Same failure mode as cherry, slightly more forgiving
    Black walnut1,010Semi-ring porous180220Open enough that 220 still leaves it absorbent
    Ash1,320Ring porous180220Pores dominate the look; grit choice only affects the flats
    Red oak1,290Ring porous, very open180220You will never close these pores by sanding, so do not try
    White oak1,360Ring porous, tyloses-filled180220Tighter than red oak but still open enough for 220
    Hard maple1,450Diffuse porous, very tight180180Above 180 it stops absorbing. This is the classic blotch cause
    Hickory1,820Ring porous, hard150180Hard enough that fine grits mostly burnish rather than cut
    Pick your species and finish class and stop there. If the last column says burnishing is the risk, going one grit finer makes the result worse, not better.

    End grain is the exception to all of it. End grain absorbs far more than face grain, so taking it two grits finer than the faces — 320 where the face stopped at 220 — closes it enough to even out. That is the one place on a bare-wood surface where the extra step genuinely pays.

  5. Milling marks are not a sanding problem

    If a board comes off the planer with visible ridges, the honest fix is upstream. Sanding out planer marks at 80 grit costs half an hour per face and removes enough material to matter on thin stock.

    Ridges spaced evenly across the width are a nicked knife. Rotate or index the knives rather than sanding. Scalloping down the length is normal knife-mark spacing and gets shorter with a slower feed rate on machines that have one. Snipe at the ends is a pressure roller or outfeed support issue.

    Every minute spent on machine setup buys back roughly ten at the sander. That trade is not close.

  6. Machine sanding and hand sanding do different jobs

    A random orbit sander is a levelling tool. It does not know or care about grain direction, and its scratch pattern is a swirl of overlapping arcs. Run it flat, let its own weight do the work, and move it roughly one inch per second — leaning on it stalls the orbit and turns a random pattern into a circular one, which is exactly the mark that shows up as pigtails later.

    Hand sanding with a block along the grain is a finishing move, not a levelling one. One pass at the final grit, with the grain, removes the sander's swirl and leaves a scratch pattern the eye reads as grain rather than as damage.

    A drum or wide-belt sander is neither — it is a thicknessing machine that happens to use abrasive, and the marks it leaves run straight down the length. Those need the same final hand pass.

    Dust extraction matters more than most people allow. An orbital sander running without collection re-cuts its own swept dust, which loads the disc, drops the effective cut rate and puts the finest particles you will breathe all week into the air at head height. Collection at the pad is not a nicety on this machine.

  7. Raising the grain, and the last dry pass

    Sanding lays fibres over rather than cutting them all off. Wet the surface, those fibres stand back up, and the previously smooth board turns rough.

    Do it deliberately instead of being ambushed. After the final grit, wipe the surface evenly with a damp rag, let it dry for thirty minutes, then knock the raised fibres back with the same grit you finished on — very lightly, one pass. The second raising is far smaller than the first, and on most work one cycle is enough.

    Skip this only if nothing water-based is going near the wood. Then vacuum rather than blow, because compressed air drives dust into open pores where it sits waiting. A vacuum with a brush head followed by a wipe with a clean cloth is the last thing that should touch bare wood on this site — what happens after that is outside what we cover here.

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